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Post by Pamela Honey on May 28, 2008 12:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by jazmin on May 29, 2008 10:58:58 GMT -5
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Post by Pamela Honey on May 29, 2008 12:13:52 GMT -5
its not there, i think it have been deletend!
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Post by jazmin on May 29, 2008 14:39:46 GMT -5
I just typed it in and it came up, let me know if you cant get it
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Post by jazmin on May 29, 2008 14:41:41 GMT -5
thedoors.com has a great message board on it with people who actually knew Jim and Pam, a waitress and Janet (Tiffany in Patricia Kennealys book) so its quite good to ask people who actually knew them
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Post by jazmin on May 29, 2008 14:45:53 GMT -5
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Post by Pamela Honey on May 29, 2008 15:20:51 GMT -5
I cant get any of the links up..  Don't know whats wrong! |
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Post by patricia on May 29, 2008 16:29:10 GMT -5
thedoors.com has a great message board on it with people who actually knew Jim and Pam, a waitress and Janet (Tiffany in Patricia Kennealys book) so its quite good to ask people who actually knew them Let me just say that there's a big difference between once having met someone, and actually knowing them. I know the people you're talking about, and they "knew" Jim only slightly better than you do -- that is to say, they may have met him, but quite a lot of the rest of their stories are of their own invention. I call it PK Disease -- an older woman takes one very small encounter in her very distant past and tries for decades after that to build an entire world out of it. It would be sad if it weren't for the fact that so many trusting individuals believe their BS. This I find unforgivable. |
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Post by Annie on May 29, 2008 23:35:46 GMT -5
I'm in the Doors boards and i feel sorry for the people here that have to read Patricia Butler's posts. That board is fantastic, tell me Patricia have you ever met Jim and Pam? were you there with them? Please visit the Doors board and read and learn about The Doors there are interesting links like Frank Lisciandro's interview and a lot of information. Stop wasting your time reading only PB posts, she wasn't there. She wrote a book about a couple she never met, so why people have to believe in her? and she is constantly telling you guys what to do  I'm a big fan and i would love to participate on this Jim and Pam site i have a lot of Pam scans, pics, letters,Jim's letters, i'm a collector. But with PB here, no thank you. Annie |
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Post by patricia on May 31, 2008 10:49:27 GMT -5
I'm in the Doors boards and i feel sorry for the people here that have to read Patricia Butler's posts. That board is fantastic, tell me Patricia have you ever met Jim and Pam? were you there with them? Please visit the Doors board and read and learn about The Doors there are interesting links like Frank Lisciandro's interview and a lot of information. Stop wasting your time reading only PB posts, she wasn't there. She wrote a book about a couple she never met, so why people have to believe in her? and she is constantly telling you guys what to do I'm a big fan and i would love to participate on this Jim and Pam site i have a lot of Pam scans, pics, letters,Jim's letters, i'm a collector. But with PB here, no thank you. Annie Yes, it's a shame people here are forced to read information from someone who isn't trying very hard to make everyone believe that she was Jim Morrison's best friend or the love of Jim Morrison's life or any of a number of other things that are constantly going on at the Doors message board among certain older ladies I don't need to name. Biographers don't need to have met their subjects. In fact, it's far, far better if they didn't know them and were not involved in their lives. In that way, the biographer can be objective and present all sides of stories without the temptation to alter things to make themselves and their own place in the history look better and more important than it was. While there are any number of people very, very happy to swallow any fantasy history that certain people are more than happy to dish out for them, there are also quite a lot of people who are more interested in what really happened, not just what a few sad ladies wish had happened if only Jim had been interested in them. As for your participation on this board, I'm sure folks would be happy to have you participate if what you want to do is share stories and information. But, based on this post of yours, it seems a bit more likely that your entire point of coming here was to stir up some trouble, which this board doesn't need. People who aren't afraid of the truth are never afraid to have people express differing points of view without trying to censor them. This isn't the case with you and those you claim to admire. |
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Post by salli on Jun 3, 2008 22:18:15 GMT -5
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Post by patricia on Jun 3, 2008 22:39:21 GMT -5
Right. According to you. And you can't even own up to who you are or what your actual agenda is. Give it a rest, Salli. You've been dining out on the same fantasy for the past 40 years. |
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Post by salli on Jun 3, 2008 23:34:40 GMT -5
Who I am. Oh gee, let's see now. I'm Salli Stevenson. I'm a former journalist, public relations person, Federal/States documents writer and now finally working on my personal agenda.
What is my agenda, Patricia? Have I shared my agenda with you? I don't believe so, since you and I parted ways in 1994, but why don't you do what you've always done, assumed that you know better than I do and tell everybody.
BTW, 40 years ago I was 25 years old, was in college studying Art and Theater and working as a freelance writer and an Arts Editor at a magazine. That was 1968.
So what is the story from 40 years ago that I've been dining out on, do tell me. Tell us all.
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Post by patricia on Jun 4, 2008 16:29:31 GMT -5
Who I am. Oh gee, let's see now. I'm Salli Stevenson. I'm a former journalist, public relations person, Federal/States documents writer and now finally working on my personal agenda. What is my agenda, Patricia? Have I shared my agenda with you? I don't believe so, since you and I parted ways in 1994, but why don't you do what you've always done, assumed that you know better than I do and tell everybody. BTW, 40 years ago I was 25 years old, was in college studying Art and Theater and working as a freelance writer and an Arts Editor at a magazine. That was 1968. So what is the story from 40 years ago that I've been dining out on, do tell me. Tell us all. Salli, I don't have time for your madness. I have witnessed you very smoothly tell the most egregious lies. Your life has been so empty for so long, that you seem to feel the only thing left to you is to fill it with invented histories and wild imaginings in hopes of gaining the admiration of total strangers who have no way of knowing how absolutely ludicrous your claims are. And there's no point in debating with you. I've seen you tell absolute whoppers about me, personally. And, when I call you on them, you simply say, "No, I'm telling the truth and you're lying." And who's to know otherwise, other than me and you? I saw you telling lies on the Doors board about things you claimed were in my book. When I pointed out to you that those things don't actually exist in my book, you annonced to everyone that what you were talking about was in an earlier edition, and was edited out later. When I pointed out to you that there actually was no earlier edition (at that time), you changed your story again and told everyone that what you were talking about was in the first draft of the book. When I pointed out to you that not only was what you were talking about never in any draft of the book, but also that you yourself never saw any draft of the book before it was actually published, you again shifted gears and told everyone that you had an inside source at the publishing house who gave you a copy of the early draft, and what you were talking about was in that version. When I pointed out that that was patent nonsense and challenged you to provide me with this draft, you suddenly got all flustered and started making excuses why you couldn't do it. And this is just one example of the total waste of time which is any attempt to try to get you to own up to even one simple truth. The fact is that you met Jim Morrison once, in a professsional capacity, very shortly before his death, and then proceeded to stalk him in the very few months between the time you met him and the time he left the States for good. You weren't his best friend. You weren't his confidante. You weren't -- good god! -- his friggin' fiance! You're just another sad lady in her 60s who has spent decades telling stories that simply aren't true in order to make yourself feel better about the life you wish you had but never did. And you can keep on spinning these tales, as I know you will, and there's no doubt that there are any number of fans who have no way of knowing better who will believe every word you say for no other reason than because they're hungry for something that feels like inside info and you're someone who once sat at the same table as Jim Morrison. But Please don't ever forget, while you're adding to this epic drama of yours, that there actually are people who know better, and it's not just me. As for your agenda, I doubt it's any different than it's ever been but, if it is, keep it to yourself. I couldn't be less interested in what you do with what relatively little time you have left. |
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Post by salli on Jun 5, 2008 18:06:01 GMT -5
Patricia,
You've written an epic about me worthy of War and Peace and yet you claim not to care, to have no interest. So why the epic?
Regarding your book.
The ONLY copy I have of your book was sent to me by Kerry. It is a xerox copy of a book he received from your publisher. I don't remember now if it's a copy of your galley or your first edition. I never called your publisher to get a copy of your book. I already had the one Kerry sent to me. My copy at the time of our debate, was in an unpacked box among over 50 other unopened boxes in my basement after a move.
The point is that you did lie. I did call you on it. Then you tried to lie your way out of your lie.
The lie was that along with other people who you thanked for trusting you with "their memories and mementos" you thanked Kathy Lisciandro. When I called Kathy to ask her why she was listed in your book she was surprised. She said she'd never talked to you, shared anything with you, or helped you in any way. In fact, she did not even know who you were. That is the point.
My relationship with Jim.
Over the years you have claimed that:
(1) I was a close friend of Jim's,
(2) I only met him once,
(3) I never knew/met Jim.
Now let me get this straight. According to you, Patricia Butler, author of ADAD, I never met Jim, but I interviewed him once, but I was his friend, but I never knew/met him. Gee. That's confusing.
You've said the same thing about my 25-year friendship with Danny Sugerman as well. Again, confusing.
My relationship with Jim is documented in The Doors on The Doors and in a letter that Danny Sugerman wrote.
Stalking? Fiance?
Everyone knows Patricia Kennealy is the woman who stalked Jim, who claimed to be officially engaged to Jim, who claimed to marry him, and now claims to be his widow.
The only woman that Jim ever took seriously was Pamela. They experienced every facet of a relationship that could be experienced together: parental, friends, brotherly, lovers, partners. She was his old lady. She is the only woman he ever allowed to say she was his wife.
The Jim I knew was for many reasons completely bonded to Pamela. I knew that nothing could come between them. I felt that they both deserved Purple Hearts for weathering the challenges of their journey together. I've said so many times, when asked.
My life.
Hate to disappoint you. I'm not sad. The life I have is fine. I'm doing better than 3/4's of the people on this planet and I'm very grateful for it and trying to do my best to help with the problems we face in this world. I have a great curiosity, which makes life a continuing fascination. I've met and continue to meet some fabulous people both in real life and in cyberspace. Some have been famous. Some have not. I tend to like people for who they are and not what they do for a living. I'm lucky to have called and call some of the people I've met over the years my friends.
As for "spinning tales," I'll leave all the spinning of tales to you, Patricia. Your tales are always interesting, although often contradictory and confusing.
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